I-192 Requirements

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Magnus (trusted member) Trusted

#80

So John Rogers since there may be a possibility of such a gargantuan fee increase do you suppose that when they grant waivers they may do so for a longer period?

It seems extraordinary that they'd give 1 year waivers for that kind of price. You'd think the least they would do would be 2 years on the lower end at least. Who wants to pay that kind of money for a 6 month or 1 year waiver?

That would just be out of the world fked up! And really what percentage of the population who require waivers here in Canada have the means to pay nearly $1900CDN (today's rate) for one?

That would seriously cut out a whole lot of working class people here in Canada.

Michelle (trusted member) Trusted

The USA would lose a tremendous amount of revenue from waivers if they increase to that amount..even with granting 5 years..people here in Saskatchewan simply wont pay it..

Michelle (trusted member) Trusted

@77..I am going to update my previous response to your privacy request question..as I dicovered a new process on Friday..there is a new agreement between the RCMP and USA Immigration for people moving to the USA from Canada. .this agreement includes a Fingerprint request under the Privacy Act that states all information held in the national repository be provided...this would show all criminal information. .at this time this is not a requirement for I 192 travel waivers unless a Pardon has been granted..

George S.

@Michelle

I'm sure you have helped plenty of people but I realized you don't necessarily have general knowledge about the system as a whole. Getting a pardon doesn't erase a conviction. It simply sets it aside so it's not viewable to the public. It will no longer be found on CPIC but can be traced and uncovered using other methods.

There is another piece of legislation that allows anyone of higher authority, even journalists, to gain access to classified information including but not limited to criminal convictions that have been pardoned of individuals. Discharges, dropped charges, acquittals and peace bonds, although canadian law treats these differently, also are registered in the system and can be accessed through the Privacy Act.

Many journalists have a mandate to uncover as much as they can in order to protect the public however, someone's reputation can seriously be damaged on false accusations. What I am trying to say is that some people with evil intent can harm a person who happened to have a simple brush with the law. Is it really necessary to keep information for simple charges like theft or vandalism under 100$?

The US knows how canadian law works although CBP agents don't necessarily have to. The current administration is using politics of fear to steer Americans away from real issues within the country. It is also important to note that american officials routinely scroll through millions of website and can technically uncover so much about each one of us.

The current administration doesn't like criminals as they love to call them. It won't be long before a traffic violation will make every single Canadian inadmissible to the US.

At this rate, it's only fair for every Canadian to pay a flat fee for a visa to enter the US. No Canadian will pay exhorbatant rates as high as 1400$ US for a one year waiver. Ending free travel and imposing a rate of 25$/person for a VISA sounds reasonable. As for someone who committed a minor offence from 10 years ago, why keep punishing them?

It's the beginning of the end for free travel. We should all try to take advantage of it before each country begins following the US. Some already have including our very own, Canada.

Michelle (trusted member) Trusted

@84..thanks..I know this..and if you read many of my previous posts..I advise that a Pardon does not earse a criminal record..it actually does continue to exsist in CPIC..but in a more contolled area..with limited access..my background is extensive work with CPIC and was involved in many CPIC audits..I do appreciate your other information. .

John Rogers (trusted member) Trusted

@George S.

Your incorrect about CPIC. Can you give us some insight as to where you are getting your information?

@Michelle the US has been requesting this information under the privacy act since last October. We do a lot of these requests here in multi-cultural Brampton. We have had waiver clients CREATED because people who had a pardoned record we applying for a green card and got caught this way.

As for the fee increase, 3 points.

-this fee was $70, then $90, then $265 then $545 then $585. Every time there is a fee increase, there is speculation about a reduction in Waivers. There may be some resistance initially, but experience has taught me that people who need/want to go the US will pay it.

-Waiver periods will NOT increase. They want to give every new administration a shot at adjudicating under THEIR rules

-People talk about these increases as if Homeland Security is "selling a product". They are increasing fees 21% across the board AT LEAST for all application under the guise of "cost recovery". The application will continue to roll in no matter what, for tons of applications. If every single waiver client stopped using waivers, Homeland Security would see it as "Canadians with criminal records are no longer flocking to the United States". Your kidding yourself if you think a single American cares how much an inadmissible Canadian has to pay to get a waiver.

From a business standpoint, there are very casual users of waivers who won't continue. There are others who will want to save money by doing it themselves. But these will be offset by the ones who don't want to risk $1415 and want it done properly.

Personally, I hate to see fee increases when they are arbitrary and egregious like this. Again, it disproportionately affects those who can least afford to pay. Typical right wing thinking.

George S.

@John Rogers

The real question to ask here is why I'm incorrect according to you.

A pardon doesn't erase a criminal conviction. It simply sets it aside. Will it be viewable in CPIC after a record suspension? No! Can the information be obtained through a Privacy Act request? Yes!

I don't think you have basic understanding of the english language.

John Rogers (trusted member) Trusted

@George S.

I am happy to back up ANY claims I make with proof. Notice my announcement that the Waiver fee would increase came with a link to where I got the information so people could check for themselves.

“There is another piece of legislation that allows anyone of higher authority, even journalists, to gain access to classified information including but not limited to criminal convictions that have been pardoned of individuals. Discharges, dropped charges, acquittals and peace bonds, although canadian law treats these differently, also are registered in the system and can be accessed through the Privacy Act.

Many journalists have a mandate to uncover as much as they can in order to protect the public however, someone's reputation can seriously be damaged on false accusations. What I am trying to say is that some people with evil intent can harm a person who happened to have a simple brush with the law. Is it really necessary to keep information for simple charges like theft or vandalism under 100$?”

You have misunderstood and misrepresented the "Privacy Act" here. "There is another piece of legislation that allows anyone of higher authority, even journalists, to gain access to classified information" are you saying this about the "privacy act" or alluding to some other legislation?

Again I asked for clarification, either what you are saying is incorrect, or perhaps you need to clarify your statement.

John Rogers (trusted member) Trusted

UPDATE TO FEE INCREASE ALERT

The document I referenced is "unpublished" so COULD be amended and will be published on November 14th.

I read it again and the reasons the fees are going to be increased are very specific.

“The President’s FY 2019 and FY 2020 budget requests include a $207.6 million transfer of IEFA funds to ICE. DHS proposes to use USCIS fees to recover the full amount of this proposed transfer.31”

“Therefore, DHS proposes to recover 28 the costs through the USCIS fee schedule.”

You can blame Trumps obsession with ICE.

The last updated fee took place on December 23 2016. Canadian Citizens were exempted from the fee increase but we did not know that until it was released on December 23 2016. So I will say to everyone a word of caution;

I think the fee is increasing in late December/early January to 1415.00 USD based on this document which will be "published" on November 14 2019. I do not THINK Canadian Citizens will be exempted this time. This is based on the best available evidence I have and I will update it as I find out more.

George S.

@John Rogers

I am talking about the Privacy Act off course. I don't know of any other legislation that you may be thinking of.

Wether the fee increases or not, John has a valid point. Many Canadians would still need to travel to the US for work or family. The current administration is looking to balance the budget. This is right wing thinking as stated before by you John: "criminals and immigrants are ruining the country." Don't believe that the Democrats will change anything. It's the same rhetoric!! Under Obama, more people got deported or denied entry to the US.

In 2016, a judge rendered a decision not to increase the waiver fees for Canadians. Guess what!!! The Democrats were in power. So, there's still hope that another court might block the proposed increase again. Back then, some posters over here even suggested that the waiver fee increase also granted 5 year first time waivers.

Then Trump got elected.......the rest is "Fake news"!!

George S.

@John Rogers

I see that you're trying not to answer me. Wether or not the Privacy Act is changed or not. What you're saying is incorrect. You still don't have basic understanding of the english language. Off course you're a liberal. Why am I incorrect?

George S.

#91 is not me.

I think someone named Adelaide has gone overboard.

Anyways, I just came to share my point of view. Some people here definitely belong in the looney bin.

The forum needs a moderator.

George S.

#91 is definitely me and #92 is me to. This forum needs a moderator here. Someone with a basic understanding of the english language. I just want to share my point of view without some looney trying to create aliases which I'm now thinking is HatsBootsHats. That guy is definitely not me wether you believe me or not. I'm really not that dumb and stupid.

Michelle (trusted member) Trusted

@ John Rogers, Thanks! I have only done Privacy Act requests in the past for Pardoned information (usually for waivers, or Vulnerable Sector)..This is the first time I had this request. Have you seen the results for this? I would be curious to see if it shows all history..including withdrawn, dismissed, Stay of Proceedings? as it asks for "RCMP National Repository Entire Holdings". If there is anyone on here who has requested on of these checks? I would love to hear what information was shown on the report. ***Note: This request is only for People moving to the USA***

John Rogers (trusted member) Trusted

@Michelle I assume its the same as the one for waivers. I got a waiver client because someone got dinged with this and their pardon was revealed.

George S.

#93 is not me. However, #92 is me.

Good day.

George S.

@Michelle

You need to ask for the information to be destroyed under the Privacy Act but these requests are seldom granted.

They are really making it hard for everyone.

Michelle (trusted member) Trusted

@95, John, I am not sure if it is the same one..hmm..it would make sense that it should be, otherwise it seems to duplicate..However, the one I always used before was for Pardoned files..this (new) requirement might include any civilian fingerprint reasons, such as Immigration, Employment, any criminal history such as withdrawn, stays, c. discharges, or a. discharges. I know when I do a Digital Fingerprint for the Reliable Screening Accreditation, it shows that I was fingerprinted for Edmonton Police (civilian)...I do have a client who I have done several waivers; he is getting married to an American and moving to the USA. He does have a Pardon that he had before we did waivers, but he also has some old "stay of proceeding" charges..so will be curious to see if they show up under this (new) fingerprint request.

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