Question about record suspensions

IN Ontario and BC they are called Pardons again.

Times: If you have 1 or 2 summary convictions, where the court documents SAY its a summary conviction, you can get a Pardon in less than a year usually. (this is a very short line-up)

If you are anything OTHER than what i described, the Parole Board part alone takes at least 9-12 months, so about 18-24 months.

The fee you pay is the same, there is no "higher fee" for a faster pardon. Anyone advertising "expedited service" is just trying to get more money out of you.

If you live in any other province, its a Record Suspension still.

Eligibility, 3 or 5 years after your sentence in Ontario and BC every other province is still 5 or 10 years after your sentence.

This means WHERE YOU PRESENTLY LIVE, not where you were convicted.

Because not a lot of people talk about Pardons, I should give a rundown and why they take the time they do.

Fingerprints: 1 month
Court Documents: Some places can be 30 days or less (Old City Hall is very fast) Others like Brampton or Scarborough or Surrey, are brutally long and can take up to 6 months.

Local Police Check : 4-6 weeks

You write out your "measurable benefits" (one day)

Parole Board in Ottawa - short lineup 1-3 months Long line-up 9-12 months

These times are accurate and up to date as of January 2018. I will post here when they finally change the Pardon process and drop the $631 fee.

I will place this here.

The Federal Govt is supporting the idea of giving a 'simpler' pardon to people convicted of one drug possession, as long as its marijuana, and under 30 grams.

What we are waiting to hear, is what is considered "proof"? If you must PROVE its under 30 grams, this might be difficult. Court documents rarely have this information and summary convictions are only retained for 15 years. (Indictable 40)

Police reports MAY be an alternative, but hopefully the will accept an affidavit.

I will keep everyone updated.

Details will come in the following weeks, but this is what we know so far.

-Must be a possession of marijuana (did not specify if more than one)
-Must be under 30 grams
-No waiting period (so technically no longer a 3 year wait plus the sentence in Ontario and BC 5 years in other provinces)
-no fee (save the $631)

And that is according to Minister Goodales news conference as of 9:41 this morning.

#7, Thank John, I agree it is going to be difficult to provide the "proof"...also do you know if the entire Pardon Application Form has to be filled out like a regular pardon, and what about people who have other convictions. Do we submit 2 different pardon applications? Also, it should be noted that US Customs was on CTV NEWS and Advised that a "Pardon" is not recognized by the USA, and you may be denied with a Pardon.

Pardon related.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-brampton-ont-judge-denounces-ontario-government-over-lack-of/

For those who are doing, or do pardons, as you know Brampton court is a nightmare to get documents from.

Here is an article about how difficult it has become for anything to do with Brampton court. If you are having difficulty with this court, let me know and I will tell you who we have been dealing with. Being in Brampton as you can imagine we do a lot of business with them.

905-459-9669.

Ummm we got a court file from them and it took 6 weeks...It was not that hard and the most work was printing off the letter and mailing it out.

Quick poll:

Does everyone believe -

John
-lives and works in Brampton, most clients from Brampton
-does pardons (which need court documents from every conviction)
-does Waivers
-linked an article from the Globe and Mail about Brampton court
-has no incentive to lie, put the information up to inform people of the problem
-is currently living and working in Canada
-is willing to give anyone interested the phone number and email of the Supervisor in charge of the court clerks

Ken
-Does not do pardons
-has been outed for posting false things on here and his webpage
-calls John drunk from the UK and complains that John picks on him
-his office is in BC, 3 time zones and over 1000 km away from Brampton
-"Ummm we got a court file from them and it took 6 weeks...It was not that hard and the most work was printing off the letter and mailing it out" is a bit short on details
-is obsessed with rebutting John because people used to buy his "we do special September Letters" until John explained he was a scam artist
-is neither living or working in Canada right now and hasn't for months.

I will put this HERE. Its not exactly a Waiver topic but we have had debates about this, so its important to share it for accuracy.

I have a client. ABC. (fake name obviously)

ABC got fingerprinted on January 30 2018. The record was processed and dated February 26 2018. The last notation on the record reads:

2015-11-13 Theft Under $5000 - Conditional Discharge.

I explained, you need to be fingerprinted again to remove the record. The police told this client different information. On November 15 this person went in to Peel Police to check on the record. It was still there.

On November 16 2018 ABC came and got fingerprinted.

Fingerprint results (just arrived)

Nothing. No record existing. Conditional Discharge gone.

Conditional Discharges are NOT removed automatically after 3 years. You have to "prompt" the RCMP with Fingerprints.

In this persons case they were stopped at the border before 2015 because they had previously overstayed. But Homeland Security did not know about the discharge, so we wanted it removed BEFORE they applied.

Feel free to debate this with me if you understand it differently.

I just saw #11 and won't respond since it clearly indicates immaturity, nonsense and someone of low self esteem that has to fabricate info to make themselves feel good.

ABC may need a waiver since Conditional Discharges are not recognized by CBP. This is a plain and simple fact. Anyway, I can direct any fingerprint related questions to my fingerprint associate as the business partner there worked for Corrections Canada for 40 years as a manager and the other partner formerly worked for commissionaires.

Also, you do not know if CBP saw the discharge or not. TECS automatically downloads the data anyway, so it is likely there. You are essentially telling the guy to commit a violation of 18 USC of False Statements to an Officer.

No need to debate it since it is a fact that he may need a waiver.

usentrywaiverservices.com

@KenScott

The record is GONE. Homeland Security never got it.

This is a ridiculous statement:

“TECS automatically downloads the data anyway, so it is likely there.”

CPIC isn't that type of database. They don't "download" it. Your fear mongering. If what you said was true, all the clients I have done pardons for SINCE 1998 and told them that they did NOT need a waiver would be exposed. Not a single one would come back to me and ask me for a waiver, or even complain????

Do you know how many clients that is? That's 20 YEARS.

Pardons Canada strikes again.

A person came to our office for fingerprints. Pardons Canada Client. Paid almost $700.

He got an absolute discharge....last week. We always ask for details when its Pardons Canada so we told him NOT to do fingerprints (waste of money) and go get his money back. Another guy who looked online but did not look at any REVIEWS online.

I also got a look at the fingerprinting places Pardons Canada sends people to. In Brampton, its only one, way in the Southwest corner, a UPS store actually I had never heard of. None of the other 4 places in Brampton (including us) made the list. In Regina it is the Commisionaires. Take that as a compliment Michelle. Pardons Canada absolutely avoids anyone who tells the client the truth.

In Toronto they only have 1 place listed....out of at least 20 options. Most of the places nationally are Commissionaires. They must not say anything when Pardons Canada sends in someone to be plucked clean.

It is sad. Pardons Canada makes the client do most of the work (They literally do nothing but the court documents) and charges some of the biggest fees in the business. For waivers, they do shoddy work but make the client write the personal letter, and they ALWAYS tell them "its fine" no matter what they write.

Just to legitimize themselves they also use the G-28 and have some lawyer at a different location claim to be the one who did the waiver. He has a completely different address listed and I know he never sees the file.

That place needs a "Marketplace Investigation". Andrew and his wife have no morals or scruples.

@nicknack

It's quite tricky.

Getting a pardon or record suspension means that in theory your FPS number gets removed. US customs doesn't have access to pardoned records. However, many times ghost entries are left behind in the system if the pardon is not done right. Government employees are human after all and they make mistakes. Unfortunately, often like any other jobs.

Other situations happen like discharges, peace bonds, acquittals and dropped charges. These are called non-convictions. In discharges the record is removed automatically after a year or 3 years for absolute and conditional discharges respectivally since 1992. For peace bonds, generally a year. For the other outcomes, there is a non guilty record that stays until the person reaches 125 years. The FPS number doesn't get destroyed.

US customs can see this number and ask you questions. They know you were arrested at some point even though it didn't lead to an actual conviction. Answering no to their famous * have you ever been arrested?*, will get you denied for lying to government officials, a serious offence.

The only way to destroy an FPS entry is with a file destruction. This can only be done at the arresting police force. They have the final say. It it's very hard to get one. Most police agencies want a certain number of crime free years before they consent and the charges have to be minor like stealing, weed possession or vandalism. This means having no negative police interactions even traffic tickets.

The system is pretty disgusting. It's a good thing that more and more journalists are making these stories public. This might force a change. Unfortunately, you have some posters here that run private waiver services claiming they help people when in reality they charge double or triple the actual cost of a waiver. They will come up with all kinds of lame excuses for people to use their services.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

If you still have questions, a certain John Rogers will surely try to defend himself by calling me illiterate or stupid. I believe he might be able to get you a waiver for 500$ more than the actual cost. This is actually not the right place to get the most accurate answers because people are competing to get your money.

To conclude, I do waivers on the side but I choose to remain anonymous. I truly do this to help people, everyone deserves a second chance. I don't need the extra cash. I also believe it's better to do waivers on your own.